Arguments for PigLover Being Admin (Court Case)

Hey, BN91. We all are organizing our points onto a single page, so it's up to you to decide.

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 * The deadline is October 10, 2019, at 00:00 EDT.

Judge and Jury

 * BiggerNate91

Prosecution/Plaintiff Signup

 * Positive Elixir Trade
 * Henry Hudson GC
 * Swasimcool
 * Yoda
 * ToPhu31/ToPhu/Crazykitten31

Defense Signup

 * PigLoverGoComics
 * ComicsCreatorz
 * BigNateBaseball
 * Moothu
 * Yoda
 * CrossDoggo (maybe)

Positive Elixir Trade

 * Because on his application:
 * He said that he was on the wiki for almost four months, but he hasn't even been here for even 3. Not only was he not even close to the requirements, he lied in his application.
 * He did say that he changed his arguing ways, but he said it as if he changed them for the better, which isn't really the case in my eyes.
 * Also:
 * Most of his edits are thread replies.
 * He's way too absorbed into the fact that quite of bit of the wiki wants him as admin, even though he doesn't deserve it, and the fact that he's a new gen on the wiki.
 * I have a secret list of potentially good admins, and Henry Hudson, GiantNate91 and Spyroclub are higher up my list mostly because of their edits, experience or past commitment. (I never put anyone high on my list for promised commitment, because while you cannot change the past, you can sure change the future); yet they don't put up a fight or beg for admin.
 * The other admins have been on here for at least seven months, and BN91 and I have been here for basically two years.
 * We worked long and hard to build our profiles and maintain a strong outlook.
 * Why should PigLover get to skip ahead?
 * BTW, admin ranks should be rewarded for PAST COMMITMENT. Not PROMISED COMMITTMENT. If we played by PL's rules, then I could just go on a wiki, promise users a bunch of stuff, and then just get ordained as an admin without any past commitment. Do we really want a system like that?
 * PigLoverGoComics had been in a ton of controversies as well.
 * Also, PL has no common sense. Every wiki is in common agreement that if you want admin, you have to earn it. There are official rules on this wiki, and they are not going anywhere, no matter how much PL denies it, there are rules that revolve around common sense.
 * PigLoverGoComics is constantly trying to manipulate the admins into believing that they don't have as much power as they actually do. He never acknowledges that there are rules and regulations on the wiki, and he never acknowledges the fact that the admins are the authority figures of the wiki. It's like a kid trying to be the boss of their parents.
 * Also, when I applied for admin for the first time, and people said that I shouldn't be admin, I acknowledged the fact that I can't be admin yet, despite the fact that I had a stronger profile than PL will have in two months, so I put my head down, and kept contributing.
 * All PL wanted to do after he was rejected, is stick his head into pointless arguments.
 * There are users who deserve admin more than PL, and they don't put up a fight.
 * Also, PL never even won a permanent Content Moderator rank.
 * As a reply to their first argument, that is an irrelevant matter that was already solved. The argument also contained a big lie. If the matter was exposed, the only reason I would look back is purely because users would draw the wrong conclusions. Even though I made a few mistakes, that does not mean that PL should be admin.
 * Also, attackish arguments, as stated by my own rules, are allowed to be vetoed because they can be filled with false statements. Even though I had apologized to PL and acknowledged my mistakes, that still doesn't seem to be enough for him. Now he's trying to get admin off of my mistakes.
 * What I'm saying is that he's still trying to complain about a matter that was ALREADY SOLVED, and he says that the reason that this isn't finished is because I deleted the points that fired it right back up in the first place.
 * PL also implied that the issue will only be resolved if I let him put everything on display for everyone to see, which is bullcrap because I had already taken full responsibility for my actions. I don't see why I have to take any more.
 * The only reason PL was appointed as Content Moderator was to improve the front page. However, 60% of "his" new design were from my templates, which were developed from my coding and CSS.
 * The only reason PL was appointed as Content Moderator was to improve the front page. However, 60% of "his" new design were from my templates, which were developed from my coding and CSS.
 * He says that anyone could've done the CSS, but it was me. I even have proof.
 * He also continues to deny that the official rules even exist, which undermines not only the admins' power but BiggerNate91's power as an admin as well. (He isn't just a Bureaucrat.)
 * When I was rejected when applying for admin, I didn't put up a fight.
 * (Reply to Tophu) You said that PL doesn't keep his topics straight, but I think that the reason why he's making up points that put me down is to distract everyone from the fact that he can't make any points to put him up, and to make his argument seem longer, and thus look more credible.

PET's main points

 * One of my main points is that most of PL's main defense are just replies to our offense, which means that he can't make any points by himself.
 * Another main point is that PL says that everyone started arguing against him when he applied, but he also said that the whole community wants him as admin. Not only are most of his arguments replying to my points, he can't even keep consistent with his own stuff.
 * I got admin through contributing and coding, while PL is trying to get admin through rioting and arguing.
 * PL also denies any form of truth that could hinder his chances of getting admin, such as the official rules, promotion requirements, and the fact that I made the two templates that make up over half of the front page. I even have proof of everything.
 * If PL gets admin, that devastates the integrity of the work the other admins did to earn their ranks.

Henry Hudson

 * PL always worsens/starts drama and arguments
 * The Vader Battle
 * "Cyberbullying"
 * This admin war


 * Pig Lover is only mod because he made the home page, which wasn't even an improvement to the last one!
 * Pig Lover is only temporarily mod
 * Pig Lover has never created any fun community activities or pages
 * For example, Neptune has written many cool stories, Swayam made the summer cup, and Positive Elixir Trade made the Marble Race
 * He is the ONLY mod that didn't get admin approval from Biggernate91
 * To PET: No poll needed, welcome to the mod team
 * To Neptune: Alright, you can be admin
 * To Swayam: You can get mod for your hard work
 * Pig Lover lacks a sense of humor
 * PL hasn't made many contributions to the wiki besides thread arguments
 * PL hasn't participated much in the Comment Section
 * All admins have contributed in a Comment Section War that WAS NOT started by them
 * Despite the fact that he's been on GC since 2017, he didn't start commenting until mid-2019
 * There isn't anything unique about Pig Lover that would make him a good administrator
 * PET works on the CSS a lot
 * Swayam helped a lot with the hacker war
 * Neptune has contributed a lot more than the rest of us
 * PL has had a history of rigging polls
 * He refuses to accept that he isn't going to become an admin, I mean this has been going one for weeks now
 * PL hasn't met many admin requirements, including time on the wiki and number of edits. But he refuses to acknowledge that
 * There are other users that would be much better admins, such as Giantnate91
 * He is a hypocrite when it comes to rules
 * For instance, he is VERY serious about the rules on the front page but keeps trying to avoid the admin requirement rules

ToPhu's Argument
Now I don't want to get too much into this, so I'll just lay my points down straight:

Have you noticed how PigLover was constantly nagging on PET for his mistakes? We're talking about you right now, so keep your topics straight.
 * PigLover started a riot lead by him and including a lot of other commenters just for administration powers
 * This also caused enough trouble for me to write an article about it
 * PigLover's first Admin poll included a lot of "newer" commenters who literally have no edits and no knowledge of this community, and that leads to alts. If you may, ask the Wiki staff and check all of the PigLover supporters in his first poll (before the ToPhu31 Crisis) and check PigLover's voter's IP addresses, if they are the same, then it is obvious that PigLover is ambitious towards being an Admin
 * Talking more about PigLover's ambition, PigLover also made these promises that we have virtually no proof that he was going to make
 * He made the new home page, big deal! And PigLover was granted moderator ONLY TO FINISH HIS HOME PAGE
 * To add further details on that, he also changed the Wiki's rules, making them to HIS advantage, which he used during the ToPhu31 Crisis
 * To profit off the ToPhu31 Crisis, he made several campaigns and ideas which certainly aided his popularity, however, he only made few articles which actually contributes to our community (The Vader Scare & The ToPhu31 Crisis)

POINTS AGAINST THE PROSECUTION

 * PET has reused the "admins can do whatever" but has completely ignored the fact I'm using the Neptune example, but he is making everything go in a loop. PET has also done admin abuse before.

TOPHU31 has exaggerated a lot of points and I when I use a point from the past I make sure it's not 1 month ago.

HENRY HUDSON's points aren't exactly correct and some are plain wrong.

The PROSECUTION ignores the fact Pig Lover has made multiple articles and what he has done for the community.

PET shows everyone "hey look PL argues a lot" for most of his points which just goes to show he cannot think of many other points.

PET also makes straight up lies accusing Pig Lover of "copying" his stuff without ANY proof and says "oh I have proof" which just makes up a lie, anybody could of just said that. PET HAS ALSO deleted some of our points to make his side look better. But, look at this rule: If you change someone else's argument, even one from your own side, you will be disqualified. So he broke his own rule, why should his arguments be valid? He also closed any threads that made him look bad.

HENRY HUDSON said Pig Lover makes arguments worse, but in fact has joined this argument which makes it even worse.


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 * Pig Lover: PET is trying to delete a lot of things that make him look bad. For example he has deleted the threat that'd he'd block Pig Lover and deleted some of our points. If he's allowed to break rules like that and get away with it, then shouldn't everyone?
 * Pig Lover: If PET is going to complain about me being unprofessional then really, I could bring up my last point. Screen Shot 2019-10-06 at 2.25.14 PM.png
 * Pig Lover: This issue is not resolved, you deleted some of my points.
 * PIG LOVER: If you recall, Pig Lover had a fair poll winning 75 to 25 in percentage and not to mention a huge promise that everybody really likes, we believe Pig Lover can help us with the CSS in modernization and more.
 * Debunking some points that are Anti-Pig Lover
 * - What about the rules we made?
 * (Pig Lover) Response: Your rules were not official, in fact you didn't make any rules, you just made a "what I think a requirement should be for promotion." You cannot say "oh we don't want Pig Lover for admin" just because YOU say so, the people have spoken and they want Pig Lover as admin. Even if you made rules, the community must decide, look at the rules Neptune made, he made a poll on them and said even admins need to make polls. Not to mention your vote doesn't mean anything more than a regular citizen.
 * - Well you need 1500+ MAIN edits, and most of them are from thread!
 * (Pig Lover) Responses: Well, you don't need it, also the rules aren't official like I mentioned before, in fact most admins have under 1000 edits! How is that fair? Some mods also got blocked but now are mods? What about those "rules?"
 * - But we are admins, we may do as we please.
 * (Pig Lover) Response: Not exactly.. Neptune has mentioned even admins need to vote via the community. Admins may have more power over other ranks, but you can't abuse your powers.
 * COMICSCREATORZ: For example, PL can't be admin, but then someone adds rules without telling the community, which is very unfair and is not part of the rules.
 * - You're too new!
 * (Pig Lover) Response: Take a SpongeBob examples, SpongeBob is a new employee but has won MANY employee of the month awards, put perseverance in his job, and so much more. Pig Lover: Squidward is a old employee and has been there far longer than SpongeBob but has only once won the employee of the month, put NO perseverance in his job, hated his boss, put no care for the Krusty Krab and much more.
 * COMICSCREATORZ: The arguing ways were only put back because the prosecutors decided to rag on Pig Lover saying he cannot be admin! He is just defending himself. What IS he supposed to do in the situation? COMICSCREATORZ: Begging isn't really a sharp point. It just shows he can be devoted to the job! We rest our case.
 * COMICSCREATORZ: There are official rules on this wiki and they were voted on or made in the far past, you cannot make rules like that, if you say Pig Lover has no common sense, you are his twin.
 * COMICSCREATORZ: Pig Lover didn't lie on his application, he is actually on his 3th month and he is soon gonna get his 4th month.
 * Pig Lover: I am not trying to manipulate the admins! Look at Neptune? What does he do? He makes a poll when making a new rule, admins must follow the rule that they cannot do whatever they wanted, they have power, but not A LOT of power to shutdown anybody for running for admin or making their own rule without a poll. In fact, it seems Positive Elixir Trade is manipulate to make the admins seem godlike!
 * Pig Lover: Now PET seems like he is insulting me by throwing insults at me. He didn't stick his head into pointless arguments, Swasimcool brought them up, he was just defending himself! Who's sticking their heads into arguments now?
 * Pig Lover: I have devoted myself to get many edits and now I'm looking for an admin role and that isn't desperation.
 * Pig Lover: The SpongeBob and Squidward is just an example, it happens in real life, in fact examples can be put mostly anywhere to prove a point, in fact, why can't it happen in real life, you've seen grumpy employees and energetic employees!
 * Pig Lover: If people want to be admin and they deserve in more, where are THEY applying for admin?
 * Like BigNateBaseball said, I didn't bring up the argument. The prosecution decided to tell me off about it, so I fought back like any person who'd defend themselves.

RESPONSE TO HENRY HUDSON (Pig Lover)

 * PL always worsens/starts drama and arguments
 * The Vader Battle - Didn't even start it.. True, but you made it 10x worse and twice as long - That was months ago.
 * "Cyberbullying" - It was, look in it.   You didn't have to make such a big deal out of it - Because a hitman is such a funny joke haha.
 * This admin war - I didn't mean it to start, I was being blamed.  But you are making it worse - I'm defending myself. To add on, if you didn't want to make it worse, how come you joined?


 * Pig Lover is only temporarily mod - Yet he has shown how he can be a great admin Okay, how? - Many people how said so.
 * Pig Lover has never created any fun community activities or pages - Roast me, roast the Big Nate Characters, President Election, my own comics, really Henry?
 * Those aren't really activities, plus the presidential election wasn't really fun - Yes they are activities.
 * He is the ONLY mod that didn't get admin approval from Biggernate91 - Not exactly, he hasn't said that. Actually, he just hasn't responded yet. - Which is what I just said.
 * Pig Lover lacks a sense of humor - What does that have to do with anything? That's a big thing on this wiki isn't it? - Not really, but a few people called me "funny."
 * PL hasn't made many contributions to the wiki besides thread arguments - Look at your own. I'm not the one applying begging for admin - But you're making this worse.
 * PL hasn't participated much in the Comment Section - Speak for yourself Henry. Excuse me? I have participated in the Sarwesh Crisis, and many other arguments (some with you :P)- Not exactly, I have been in many, many commenter wars.
 * There isn't anything unique about Pig Lover that would make him a good administrator - Not exactly, I made a update (with CSS), new comics, listening to the commenters, new badges Well, other admins have more unique attributes- Which mine can develop and add over time.
 * PL has had a history of rigging polls - No I haven't.. I was accused by someone, but they later apologized..Okay then
 * He refuses to accept that he isn't going to become an admin, I mean this has been going one for weeks now - Uh, not exactly, in case you haven't realized I won the poll An unofficial poll though - What? No, look at the discussion tab, THAT is official.
 * PL hasn't met many admin requirements, including time on the wiki and number of edits. But he refuses to acknowledge that - The admin requirements aren't even official, also if you look at some of the admins/mod don't even meet any requirements, or even all of them. Well, you're still not admin, sooooo- We'll have to wait and see.
 * There are other users that would be much better admins, such as Giantnate91 - They haven't applied, if they want to be a admin, they can. Okay, then. You win :P But they're not complaining so why should you be able to? What makes you so magical and special? - Via defending.
 * He is a hypocrite when it comes to rules
 * For instance, he is VERY serious about the rules on the front page but keeps trying to avoid the admin requirement rules - Those rules aren't official, you cannot make your own rules. But the admins are enforcing them- Neptune has mentioned admins cannot make their own rules without consulting the community.
 * For instance, he is VERY serious about the rules on the front page but keeps trying to avoid the admin requirement rules - Those rules aren't official, you cannot make your own rules. But the admins are enforcing them- Neptune has mentioned admins cannot make their own rules without consulting the community.

ToPhu's Argument
Now I don't want to get too much into this, so I'll just lay my points down straight:

Have you noticed how PigLover was constantly nagging on PET for his mistakes? We're talking about you right now, so keep your topics straight.
 * PigLover started a riot lead by him and including a lot of other commenters just for administration powers - I didn't start it, it was started by someone in the group chat.
 * This also caused enough trouble for me to write an article about it - Not exactly, it was a lot of admin polls.
 * PigLover's first Admin poll included a lot of "newer" commenters who literally have no edits and no knowledge of this community, and that leads to alts. If you may, ask the Wiki staff and check all of the PigLover supporters in his first poll (before the ToPhu31 Crisis) and check PigLover's voter's IP addresses, if they are the same, then it is obvious that PigLover is ambitious towards being an Admin
 * Talking more about PigLover's ambition, PigLover also made these promises that we have virtually no proof that he was going to make - Like the CSS I gave to PET, what about those?
 * He made the new home page, big deal! And PigLover was granted moderator ONLY TO FINISH HIS HOME PAGE - However, he has developed skills over time.
 * To add further details on that, he also changed the Wiki's rules, making them to HIS advantage, which he used during the ToPhu31 Crisis - Which were deleted later, which also give a point to how he can be experienced.
 * To profit off the ToPhu31 Crisis, he made several campaigns and ideas which certainly aided his popularity, however, he only made few articles which actually contributes to our community (The Vader Scare & The ToPhu31 Crisis) - No, not really, I have made a lot of more articles, check them out.

RESPONSE TO PET's MAIN POINTS.

 * One of my main points is that most of PL's main defense are just replies to our offense, which means that he can't make any points by himself. - Read the top few points.
 * Another main point is that PL says that everyone started arguing against him when he applied, but he also said that the whole community wants him as admin. Not only are most of his arguments replying to my points, he can't even keep consistent with his own stuff. - Stop exaggerating, I said most of them do, and again. read the top few points.
 * I got admin through contributing and coding, while PL is trying to get admin through rioting and arguing. - Didn't make the "Vote Pig Lover" riot. Also for the last time, I was defending myself.
 * PL also denies any form of truth that could hinder his chances of getting admin, such as the official rules, promotion requirements, and the fact that I made the two templates that make up over half of the front page. I even have proof of everything. - Your "admin" rules AREN'T OFFICIAL. Read the Neptune thing I put everywhere but nobody listens to.
 * If PL gets admin, that devastates the integrity of the work the other admins did to earn their ranks. - But overtime, I will gain the experience.

BigNateBaseball

 * You say most of PL's edits are thread, that is incorrect only 515 of his 1655 edits are thread, which even without thread would leave him with above 1000 edits also his edit ratio is close to Swasimcool's 1000 thread edits and 3352 main both about a third of there edits
 * PL also has great ideas such as the Halloween updates
 * PL also has been content mod for over a month and has shown commitment by helping make the front page
 * The arguments aren't PL's fault, he won the admin poll 75-25, he should be admin. And by the looks of the poll the community wants PL to be admin too
 * PL also showed responsibility in the Tophu31 crisis by not going on tophu's level and not being mean to tophu after tophu said some rude things
 * He has been on the wiki for about 80 days which I think is plenty to be admin
 * And so what if he is a new gen on the wiki, the new gens on the wiki need someone to represent them.
 * You say PL has gotten into a lot of controversies, which is because he argues for what he believes in, which would make him a good admin.
 * He has changed his argument ways for a better, this whole argument isn't his fault. he just wanted to be admin and everyone started arguing against him. So he argued back like any person would do
 * Henry, 1. Since when is a sense of humor a qualification for an admin 2. He does have a sense of humor

Moothu
1. After all, the wiki is about the Big Nate comments section, isn't it? This isn't "Socialization Wiki", is it? Pig Lover has been in the comments section since before I first started back in 2017! That should outrank wiki experience a bit.

2. Come. On. The Poll was 75 - 25! JUST LET THEM BE ADMIN!!!!!!

MAIN POINTS BY DEFENSE (ANYBODY ON DEFENSE MAY ADD)
If you're going to blame me for being hypocritical then look at this:

PET made a rule about no vandalizing, but vandalized this page HIMSELF. PET also lied, so he is not innocent either, he claimed I stole his CSS when I cannot even look at the CSS! Who is lying now?

(Response to PET: You didn't make the CSS anybody could of made it.)

Henry Hudson mentioned that Pig Lover argues a lot but he butts into the arguments when they don't matter to him and the reason Pig Lover argues in arguments, but Pig Lover is just defending him. He has changed his argument ways for a better, this whole argument isn't his fault. He just wanted to be admin and everyone started arguing against him. So he argued back like any person would do.

You say PL has gotten into a lot of controversies, which is because he argues for what he believes in, which would make him a good admin.

In conclusion PL wants to be admin and with this poll it looks like the community wants him to be admin too.

☀https://big-nate-comments.fandom.com/f/p/3100000000000001542

CrossDoggo has changed his vote to yes. Which makes it 75% (yes) to 25% (no)

Swasimcool - (NO POINTS SO FAR)